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« u: Juli 28, 2010, 14:23:33 »


Halal, haram, mekruh?
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« Odgovori #1 u: Juli 28, 2010, 14:24:30 »


Book 28, Number 5612:

Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said : He who played chess is like one who dyed his band with the flesh and blood of swine.

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« Odgovori #2 u: Juli 28, 2010, 14:25:28 »


gubljenje vremena u svakom slučaju...
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« Odgovori #3 u: Juli 28, 2010, 14:26:05 »


gubljenje vremena u svakom slučaju...

Slažem se. Medjutim to nije pitanje.
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« Odgovori #4 u: Juli 28, 2010, 14:28:03 »


As-Salamu `alaykum! Is it allowed to play chess in Islam?

Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear sister in Islam, thanks a lot for your question which reflects your care to have a clear view of the teachings of Islam. Allah commands Muslims to refer to people of knowledge to get themselves well-acquainted with the teachings of Islam.


In his well-known book, The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam, the prominent Muslim scholar, Sheik Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:

"Chess is a very popular game, and the opinion of jurists concerning it varies. Some scholars consider it halal (permissible), others consider it makruh (reprehensible), and still others consider it haram (unlawful).

Those who consider it haram cite some hadiths in support of their view, but researchers have proved that chess did not appear until after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Thus all such hadiths must have been fabricated.

The Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them all) themselves held different views about playing chess. Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said that it is worse than backgammon and `Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) regarded it as gambling (perhaps meaning when it is played for money), while some others merely expressed disapproval of it.

However, some Companions and some of the second generation of scholars allowed it. Among those were Ibn `Abbas, Abu Hurayrah, Ibn Sirin, Hisham bin `Umrah, and Sa`id Ibn Al-Musayyib. We agree with those great jurists, since the original principle is the permissibility of acts and no text is to be found prohibiting it.

Moreover, in addition to being a game and a recreation, chess is also a mental exercise which requires thought and planning. In this respect, it is the opposite of backgammon, for while backgammon is a game of chance and therefore comparable to divining with arrows, chess is a game of skill and strategy, which may be compared to archery.

However, playing chess is permissible only if the following conditions are met:

1- One should not get so absorbed in it that he delays his prayer; chess is well-known to be a stealer of time.

2- There should be no gambling involved.

3- The players should not utter obscenities or vulgarities.

If any of these conditions are not met it should be considered as haram."

You can also read:

Islam and Recreation

May Allah guide you to the straight path, and direct you to that which pleases Him, Amen.

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« Odgovori #5 u: Juli 28, 2010, 14:32:29 »


As-Salamu `alaykum! Is it allowed to play chess in Islam?

Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear sister in Islam, thanks a lot for your question which reflects your care to have a clear view of the teachings of Islam. Allah commands Muslims to refer to people of knowledge to get themselves well-acquainted with the teachings of Islam.


In his well-known book, The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam, the prominent Muslim scholar, Sheik Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:

"Chess is a very popular game, and the opinion of jurists concerning it varies. Some scholars consider it halal (permissible), others consider it makruh (reprehensible), and still others consider it haram (unlawful).

Those who consider it haram cite some hadiths in support of their view, but researchers have proved that chess did not appear until after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Thus all such hadiths must have been fabricated.

The Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them all) themselves held different views about playing chess. Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said that it is worse than backgammon and `Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) regarded it as gambling (perhaps meaning when it is played for money), while some others merely expressed disapproval of it.

However, some Companions and some of the second generation of scholars allowed it. Among those were Ibn `Abbas, Abu Hurayrah, Ibn Sirin, Hisham bin `Umrah, and Sa`id Ibn Al-Musayyib. We agree with those great jurists, since the original principle is the permissibility of acts and no text is to be found prohibiting it.

Moreover, in addition to being a game and a recreation, chess is also a mental exercise which requires thought and planning. In this respect, it is the opposite of backgammon, for while backgammon is a game of chance and therefore comparable to divining with arrows, chess is a game of skill and strategy, which may be compared to archery.

However, playing chess is permissible only if the following conditions are met:

1- One should not get so absorbed in it that he delays his prayer; chess is well-known to be a stealer of time.

2- There should be no gambling involved.

3- The players should not utter obscenities or vulgarities.

If any of these conditions are not met it should be considered as haram."

You can also read:

Islam and Recreation

May Allah guide you to the straight path, and direct you to that which pleases Him, Amen.

Yusuf Al-Qaradawi

Najviše volim ove fetve. Jeste dozvoljeno, ali ustvari nije.

Na osnovu onoga hadisa iz Muslimovog hadisa bi se dalo zaključiti da nije dozvoljeno. Karadavi kaže da su Ibn Abbas i Ebu Hurejre dozvoljavali igranje šaha.
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« Odgovori #6 u: Juli 28, 2010, 14:56:18 »


Ti si sad veci alim od Kardavija?
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« Odgovori #7 u: Juli 28, 2010, 14:58:12 »


Ti si sad veci alim od Kardavija?

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« Odgovori #8 u: Juli 28, 2010, 14:58:55 »


Može li neko na osnovu vlastitog logičkog promišljanja skontati zašto bi igranje šaha bilo zabranjeno, pod uslovom da čovjek izgovara šehadet, posti, klanja i daje zekat te ima nijet obaviti hadž?.
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« Odgovori #9 u: Juli 28, 2010, 15:00:57 »


Ja samo pitam, nemam svoj stav.


Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Chess is like dice in that it is forbidden.” (al-Mughni, 14/155),

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The evil consequences of chess are greater than the evil consequences of dice. Everything that points to the prohibition of dice points to the prohibition of chess even more so… This is the view of Maalik and his companions, of Abu Haneefah and his companions, of Ahmad and his companions, and the view of the majority of the Taabi’een… It is not known that any of the Sahaabah permitted it or played it. Allaah protected them from that. Everything that is attributed to any of them and says that he played it – such as Abu Hurayrah – is a fabrication and lie against the Sahaabah and is rejected by anyone who knows how the Sahaabah really were and by anyone who has sufficient knowledge to examine the reports critically. How could the best generation and the best of mankind after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) permit playing something that prevents people from remembering Allaah and from praying, and is worse in this regard than alcohol when the player gets immersed in it, as we see in real life? How could the Lawgiver forbid dice but permit chess, which is many times worse?…” (al-Furoosiyah, 303, 305, 311).

Al-Dhahabi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “With regard to chess, most of the scholars say that it is haraam to play it, whether that is for money or not. If it is played for money then it is indisputably gambling. Even if it is not played for money it is still gambling and haraam, according to most of the scholars… al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about playing chess, is it forbidden or permissible? He (may Allaah have mercy on him) replied that if it makes a person miss praying on time or he plays for money, then it is haraam, otherwise it is makrooh according to al-Shaafa’i and haraam according to others…” (al-Kabaa’ir, 89-90).


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« Odgovori #10 u: Juli 28, 2010, 15:04:54 »


Može li neko na osnovu vlastitog logičkog promišljanja skontati zašto bi igranje šaha bilo zabranjeno, pod uslovom da čovjek izgovara šehadet, posti, klanja i daje zekat te ima nijet obaviti hadž?.

Ah, logika...

Po kojoj logici je po nekima zabranjeno slušati ilahije sa instrumentima.
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« Odgovori #11 u: Juli 28, 2010, 15:13:49 »


Book 28, Number 5612:

Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said : He who played chess is like one who dyed his band with the flesh and blood of swine.

Sahih Muslim

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Those who consider it haram cite some hadiths in support of their view, but researchers have proved that chess did not appear until after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Thus all such hadiths must have been fabricated.
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Yusuf Al-Qaradawi

gubljenje vremena u svakom slučaju...

Slažem se. Medjutim to nije pitanje.
Ja lično volim igrati šah, ali nemam priliku ga igrati češće nego 1-2 godišnje. A da je danguba, pa... vjerovatno zavisi koliko često pojedinac igra šah. Uostalom, svi mi dangubimo ovako ili onako.
Evo malo teksta o historiji šaha . Izvor Wikipedia.
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Ne postoje pouzdani podaci o njegovom postanku. Najverovatnije je da se pojavio pre više od 2.000 godina. Prilikom arheoloških iskopavanja u Uzbekistanu nađene su dve figurice od slonovače koje pripadaju periodu vladavine cara Huviške (II vek). Stručnjaci smatraju da su to šahovske figurice. U V veku nastala je u Indiji posebna vrsta vojne igre na drvenoj ploči - „čaturanga“, što znači četverodeoni. Čaturanga je kao daleki predak današnjeg šaha bila igra koja je odražavala sastav i poredak tadašnje indijske vojske, koju su sačinjavala 4 roda: pešadija, konjica, slonovi i borna kola, a u sredini su se nalazili radža (kralj) i njegov savetnik mantrin (današnja kraljica ili dama). Kretanje figura određivalo se bacanjem kocke.

Igru su u VI veku prihvatili Persijanci (čatrang), a od njih u VII veku Arapi su osvajanjem Irana preuzeli i tokom naredna dva veka bila je veoma populara u arapskim zemljama. Održavani su mečevi između najboljih igrača, proučena su moguća otvaranja (tabije) i sastavljeni su prvi problemi otvaranja (mansube). Kalif Harun al Rašid je poslao krajem VIII veka francuskom vladaru Karlu Velikom na poklon šah od slonove kosti. U IX veku Arapi su je pod imenom „šatrandž“ preneli u Španiju,
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Kako vidimo, ondašnja braća nije imala problema sa šahom.
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« Odgovori #12 u: Juli 28, 2010, 15:39:43 »


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Bolje igrati sah nego pratiti utakmicu na TV-u.

Ako je zabranjen sah treba i ostale sportove zabraniti.

U sahu su sporne figurice koje bi se trebale prilagoditi posto su u islamu zabranjene figurice (konj) Grin
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« Odgovori #13 u: Juli 28, 2010, 15:39:47 »


Može li neko na osnovu vlastitog logičkog promišljanja skontati zašto bi igranje šaha bilo zabranjeno, pod uslovom da čovjek izgovara šehadet, posti, klanja i daje zekat te ima nijet obaviti hadž?.

Ah, logika...

Po kojoj logici je po nekima zabranjeno slušati ilahije sa instrumentima.

Ne znam. Ja s vremena na vrijeme, pogotovo u vožnji volim poslušati i sa instrumentima i bez njih. Kompilacija po vlastitom izboru.
Birvaktile u vrijeme besposlice (odbrambenooslobodilački) znao sam odigrat i po koju šaha.
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« Odgovori #14 u: Juli 28, 2010, 15:50:51 »


Može li neko na osnovu vlastitog logičkog promišljanja skontati zašto bi igranje šaha bilo zabranjeno, pod uslovom da čovjek izgovara šehadet, posti, klanja i daje zekat te ima nijet obaviti hadž?.

Ovo tvoje pitanje, ako postaviš u kontekst kladionice recimo ima "jednaku težinu". Sasvim je nebitno da li čovjek ispunjava te propise ili ne, ako je nešto haram, onda je haram, pa se ti furaj na logiku do smrti.

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